First of all, those girls are air heads and the boys that will give them the time of day are air heads. Secondly, (in my experience) the only types of people that "get on" in that fashion are bar flies. Party people. The guys I respect (And granted, they are few and far between) wouldn't give a woman who puts out with the first guy she meets at a bar the time of day. Also, the girls I know wouldn't have s e x with a guy until he was seeing her exclusively and some even plan on waiting until marriage.

And what about diseases? After all that education about S T Ds you'd think people would have stopped having s e x by now.

As for sweet C, we can hope and pray that she will never put herself in a situation where she is exposed to people like that. In other words, tell her to stay out of bars and clubs ;-)

I have a good feeling you two won't have a problem with your kids where drugs and s e x and all that is concerned...I mean you have given them a healthy religious upbringing and you and T are in love and love your kids. It's a healthy, caring environment...Not one that usually spawns s l u t s and junkies ;-) Plus, neither of you party or do drugs or have s e x with strangers, so that cuts the odds by at least 30%

I'm so, so glad I'm married to a good man and never had to deal with all that bar-scene garbage! I agree with Jenn that the "bar types" are much more likely than others to behave in this way, though I also tend to think that things are going downhill in this department (as in many others).

As for C's prospects, I wouldn't worry too much. There are still some families (like yours) that raise both daughters *and* sons to think and act in an appropriate manner.

And if the guys in the article are the norm for "that type of guy", it shouldn't be too difficult (or take more than three or four dates!!) to sort out the bad apples.

Before the little guy was born, I was sort of hoping he was a boy, for exactly these reasons. It scares me, the stuff that girls will have to put up with. I have recently gotten my hands on several issues of *Seventeen* magazine (remember that?) and I am disgusted and appalled. First, at how these girls dress, and second, at the issues they are dealing with. What happened to the Prom Dress issue of the magazine? :(

I guess it is our job to raise better boys than these.

Also, you can tell T that I know of no such women either. :)

First, yes, Queen is now stuck in my head.

Second, I am a single woman in my 20s, and do occasionally go to bars with other single women, and we have never talked about anything like that. We talk about work and knitting and books and family stuff. (And I make one good beer last the whole evening.)

Third, I know those people are supposed to be "average," but... if they were average, wouldn't we meet more of them? Hmm.

Even when single, I was always more prone to go out to parties or bars to enjoy myself with friends, which is not only far more fun in itself but tends to mean that if you do meet someone he's a friend or at least acquaintance of a friend.

Still, that discussion didn't sound totally unrealistic for me ... for a bunch of women who were specifically going out to meet men and who were asked specific questions about meeting men. I'd guess when they're not talking on the record for an article on a specific subject, they talk about work and books and knitting too. And there certainly are people who go out specifically to meet men/women. They're the ones talking a little too loudly, pretending to have fun. And yeah, I'd say they're out there - but so are plenty of people who want to meet someone they can love for the rest of their lives. I have several single male friends who would make excellent and faithful husbands.

Note that even in that sample of three barhoppers above, you have one who's willing to wait "months" (and you can figure if he'll wiat months, he'll wait years, but may not want to say so in that environment). However, I don't think that redeems him; Brendan is setting a trap where if she sleeps with him he'll dump her, even though obviously he's exactly as promiscuous as she is. Joe may not be waiting as long as you'd like but at least he's not playing games and sitting in judgment based on a double standard.

Mostly, I think Mary nailed it in her comment: mothers of sons have a responsibility to riase their sons to the same standards they'd like to see used toward their daughters. My MIL doesn't have a daughter, but she did an excellent job nonetheless.

Well, I work at a university, and I see these attitudes ALL THE TIME. I agree, Rachel, that it's becoming more prevalent and accepted among the younger peer groups to think and act this way. If they don't act this way in high school, they quickly learn to when they get to college.